Quite low end - 160/2 shot kind. The stable does not explicitly offer raw and I believe that she does not offer it to everyone. I believe she's in her late 20's - early 30's.
She did also prevented me from CIP. So I guess it means she's not the damn jialat cum dumpster kind?
Yeah never gonna do this again man. I just got my pep pills. Burnt $1300 in my pocket. Stay safe and rational bros
P.S you mentioned that you rawed with an fl once. Did you do anything about it?
Guessed you went private given the exorbitant cost.
For my case she was young and told me she does regular testing(shes educated and speaks english), so wasnt very worried. No symptoms for the next few weeks so I assumed im safe.
Honestly there are probably more people who win 4D before than there are HIV-positive people. If I kena ill just take it as a sign from the universe to end my life lol.
Guessed you went private given the exorbitant cost.
For my case she was young and told me she does regular testing(shes educated and speaks english), so wasnt very worried. No symptoms for the next few weeks so I assumed im safe.
Honestly there are probably more people who win 4D before than there are HIV-positive people. If I kena ill just take it as a sign from the universe to end my life lol.
Ya I went straight to the nearest clinic at 830 am - coz time is not on my side
Anw I wish you the best in your journey towards quitting man - I'm done
Ya I went straight to the nearest clinic at 830 am - coz time is not on my side
Anw I wish you the best in your journey towards quitting man - I'm done
Wa i see your account since 2011... A decade of chionging and u decided to quit? What happened bro. You should also share your story like me, maybe can inspire and encourage other bros here.
good sharing. I am still stuck. many years in FL/ML scene. I quitted that. But stuck with FwB/SB/Sd type of relationship liao. Worse I think. more money spent. but probably less risk for STD... I dunno..it corrupts your morale and slowly think this is norm. it is ok. I am fine even if my kid is doing it. I guess I can only stop when I am old and no energy + no money. haha
Wa i see your account since 2011... A decade of chionging and u decided to quit? What happened bro. You should also share your story like me, maybe can inspire and encourage other bros here.
I'm an average guy like yourself tbh. Don't really have any issues personally getting 6-7s/10 girls, with the occasional 8/10 if I'm lucky. Just that the effort and financial resources you'll need to commit often equals or far exceed that of spending on FLs.
FLs to me are just a quick and easy fix of dopamine - akin to watch porn for instant gratification. Think u also mention that you became more lax in your pursuits after u start cheonging, and has certainly increased the tendency of me taking the easy way out for most things in life.
Was already aware of the impact that it had on my life, but didn't have the willpower to quit. I guess this potential STD/HIV scare that happened to me will be the force that push me to quit ba.
I think it is possible for certain bros to be able to treat this as just a hobby without much impact to their lives. But for most common folk, it actually does more damage than harm - The scary thing is that most people won't even realise the harm that it has on their lives unless they really reflect on the net expected value cheonging brings to their life
I'm an average guy like yourself tbh. Don't really have any issues personally getting 6-7s/10 girls, with the occasional 8/10 if I'm lucky. Just that the effort and financial resources you'll need to commit often equals or far exceed that of spending on FLs.
FLs to me are just a quick and easy fix of dopamine - akin to watch porn for instant gratification. Think u also mention that you became more lax in your pursuits after u start cheonging, and has certainly increased the tendency of me taking the easy way out for most things in life.
Was already aware of the impact that it had on my life, but didn't have the willpower to quit. I guess this potential STD/HIV scare that happened to me will be the force that push me to quit ba.
I think it is possible for certain bros to be able to treat this as just a hobby without much impact to their lives. But for most common folk, it actually does more damage than harm - The scary thing is that most people won't even realise the harm that it has on their lives unless they really reflect on the net expected value cheonging brings to their life
To add on, I have at least 10+ bros dming me to share the contact of the FL who rawed with me - really shows that those who are in too deep engage in self destructive behavior, some of whom don't even realise it
Bro I already said it in a previous reply. Im an average looking guy. You should know how brutal and cutthroat online dating is for average looking joes. I will probably have to settle for a 5/10 girl which I probably cant bring myself to....
TBH, I don't get what is the issue here.
If you want hot babes, there are plenty of opportunities in local universities. Lots of co-curricular activities to sign up each year with tonnes of hot girls. You could join dance clubs, sports activities, etc
Church is also one of the best places to mingle and socialize with girls isn't it? With that many activities planned, you could easily hop among groups.
If with above tips and you still cannot find a hot babe, follow the below. If you can't get it in the market, then DIY.
A hot babe usually has good skin complexion and what they need is the good make up.
There are girls that are willing to change and doll themselves up for guys that they like.
This is where the DIY comes in.
Over the course of the relationship, you need to suggest how she dresses this and that in a way that makes her look pretty like a hot babe. Please do not be blatantly honest and tell her upfront that she needs to do this and that to be a HOT BABE. This is a turn off which tells her that she does not look pretty.
Sooner or later, you will get a hot babe.
If she still does not change, then find another girl to DIY.
good sharing. I am still stuck. many years in FL/ML scene. I quitted that. But stuck with FwB/SB/Sd type of relationship liao. Worse I think. more money spent. but probably less risk for STD... I dunno..it corrupts your morale and slowly think this is norm. it is ok. I am fine even if my kid is doing it. I guess I can only stop when I am old and no energy + no money. haha
Yup this lifestyle definitely corrupts the mind and soul. I still remember in NS i used to mock guys who go to geylang for patronising third world villager cum dumpsters.
Never in a million years would I have expected to be in this situation. It really desensitizes you and make you numb to it all.
I'm an average guy like yourself tbh. Don't really have any issues personally getting 6-7s/10 girls, with the occasional 8/10 if I'm lucky. Just that the effort and financial resources you'll need to commit often equals or far exceed that of spending on FLs.
FLs to me are just a quick and easy fix of dopamine - akin to watch porn for instant gratification. Think u also mention that you became more lax in your pursuits after u start cheonging, and has certainly increased the tendency of me taking the easy way out for most things in life.
Was already aware of the impact that it had on my life, but didn't have the willpower to quit. I guess this potential STD/HIV scare that happened to me will be the force that push me to quit ba.
I think it is possible for certain bros to be able to treat this as just a hobby without much impact to their lives. But for most common folk, it actually does more damage than harm - The scary thing is that most people won't even realise the harm that it has on their lives unless they really reflect on the net expected value cheonging brings to their life
Well said bro. Quick and easy dopamine fixes makes a man weak and easily contented. It takes away our innate drive to achieve greater heights.
Just curious though, you said u paid $160 for 2 shots which sounds like quite a poor quality bonk. How did you even enjoy it?
To add on, I have at least 10+ bros dming me to share the contact of the FL who rawed with me - really shows that those who are in too deep engage in self destructive behavior, some of whom don't even realise it
Very sad to see. They dont see how low they have fallen. They fall so deep down this lifestyle that their mind and soul has been severely corrupted. This is not normal behaviour at all. It is highly deviant and destructive. Like those upskirters from sbf who have been so desensitized they start to rationalize their behaviour as normal and begin to compulsively act on their urges.
The fact that they chose to PM you instead of asking directly on the thread shows that they are cowards. They know their behaviour is disgusting and dangerous but dont dare to openly admit in this forum.
If you want hot babes, there are plenty of opportunities in local universities. Lots of co-curricular activities to sign up each year with tonnes of hot girls. You could join dance clubs, sports activities, etc
Church is also one of the best places to mingle and socialize with girls isn't it? With that many activities planned, you could easily hop among groups.
If with above tips and you still cannot find a hot babe, follow the below. If you can't get it in the market, then DIY.
A hot babe usually has good skin complexion and what they need is the good make up.
There are girls that are willing to change and doll themselves up for guys that they like.
This is where the DIY comes in.
Over the course of the relationship, you need to suggest how she dresses this and that in a way that makes her look pretty like a hot babe. Please do not be blatantly honest and tell her upfront that she needs to do this and that to be a HOT BABE. This is a turn off which tells her that she does not look pretty.
Sooner or later, you will get a hot babe.
If she still does not change, then find another girl to DIY.
Like I said, hot babes do exist. But im an average looking guy who is not an ah sia. So I cant get them.
Makeup makes a girl look better, but it doesnt transform a plain jane to a chiobu
Bro I already said it in a previous reply. Im an average looking guy. You should know how brutal and cutthroat online dating is for average looking joes. I will probably have to settle for a 5/10 girl which I probably cant bring myself to....
Yep I know very well. If you're a 5/10 guy, you will not get 5/10 girls. You'll get 3/10 girls, maybe a 4/10 once in a while.
But bro........ beggars can't be choosers man. That's what you can get, you take it. Don't be like those fat girls you see online who think they deserve rich and handsome guys and think that average guys are gross. That's just delusional, unsightly and pathetic bro.
It's not like I don't understand. In his youth, a man is at his horniest, yet also most unattractive to women. All the traits that women like in men are at the lowest when you're young. Our youth is the most sexually frustrating parts of our lives, I believe this is something all men share.
This drive to improve himself to get girls is a very powerful force, but these days there's porn and easy access to FLs. It's actually a very common problem to get too used to them and ruin your motivation and therefore your life. I myself had that problem. I was a huge porn addict in my teens. I was a loser who couldn't get girls too, I lost my virginity to a GL hooker at the age of 24. I remember, I couldn't get hard at all even though she was really hot. I had ED at the age of 24. My dopamine receptors were just fried from years and years of porn. I quit porn cold turkey and eventually cured my ED, but then I got used to the hotness and easiness of FLs. Like you I couldn't stomach average girls after chionging for a while. However I woke up and decided this is not the life I want for myself, I didn't want to be a loser who has to pay for sex anymore. So I quit chionging cold turkey and worked on myself. At the start I had to settle for 5/10 or 6/10 girls and didn't like it, but I got used to them and started to enjoy them too. As I improved myself my results improved. These days I can get 7 and 8/10 girls regularly and I haven't looked back.
You have to know what's at stake here bro. If you keep having unrealistic expectations from FLs and you can't enjoy girls of your own level, you can't ever form a real relationship with a girl. How are you going to get a fwb/gf/wife? How are you going to procreate and continue your bloodline? You have to decide this is not how you want to live your life and quit. Of course this requires willpower, but that's what separates winners and losers in life bro. Nobody will help you at this, nobody cares about you, you have to do it yourself. Those who have willpower and discipline, will go out and achieve great things and procreate. Those who don't, will be losers for life and die alone. It's up to you which one you want to be.
And I saw your unwillingness to get therapy cos of fear of judgment. I'm sorry but this reeks of loser mentality bro. First of all, doing this can save your life. Think what's at stake. Would you rather get judged by a stranger, or be a loser for the rest of your life??? Secondly, don't think you're a special snowflake and nobody else has your problem. Do you know how many young men out there can't get girls and have FL addiction?? I was one too, and when I frequented GL in the past, guess what, there were many young guys too not just old uncles. And I bet professional therapists has dealt with way worse shit (sex offenders, murderers, drug abuse, incest etc etc). Seeing you would be like a GP seeing a flu patient; a total non-event.
Anw I've said enough bro. If you have enough willpower, you'll get out of this and thrive. If not, you'll live and die a loser. It's up to you.
Yep I know very well. If you're a 5/10 guy, you will not get 5/10 girls. You'll get 3/10 girls, maybe a 4/10 once in a while.
But bro........ beggars can't be choosers man. That's what you can get, you take it. Don't be like those fat girls you see online who think they deserve rich and handsome guys and think that average guys are gross. That's just delusional, unsightly and pathetic bro.
It's not like I don't understand. In his youth, a man is at his horniest, yet also most unattractive to women. All the traits that women like in men are at the lowest when you're young. Our youth is the most sexually frustrating parts of our lives, I believe this is something all men share.
This drive to improve himself to get girls is a very powerful force, but these days there's porn and easy access to FLs. It's actually a very common problem to get too used to them and ruin your motivation and therefore your life. I myself had that problem. I was a huge porn addict in my teens. I was a loser who couldn't get girls too, I lost my virginity to a GL hooker at the age of 24. I remember, I couldn't get hard at all even though she was really hot. I had ED at the age of 24. My dopamine receptors were just fried from years and years of porn. I quit porn cold turkey and eventually cured my ED, but then I got used to the hotness and easiness of FLs. Like you I couldn't stomach average girls after chionging for a while. However I woke up and decided this is not the life I want for myself, I didn't want to be a loser who has to pay for sex anymore. So I quit chionging cold turkey and worked on myself. At the start I had to settle for 5/10 or 6/10 girls and didn't like it, but I got used to them and started to enjoy them too. As I improved myself my results improved. These days I can get 7 and 8/10 girls regularly and I haven't looked back.
You have to know what's at stake here bro. If you keep having unrealistic expectations from FLs and you can't enjoy girls of your own level, you can't ever form a real relationship with a girl. How are you going to get a fwb/gf/wife? How are you going to procreate and continue your bloodline? You have to decide this is not how you want to live your life and quit. Of course this requires willpower, but that's what separates winners and losers in life bro. Nobody will help you at this, nobody cares about you, you have to do it yourself. Those who have willpower and discipline, will go out and achieve great things and procreate. Those who don't, will be losers for life and die alone. It's up to you which one you want to be.
And I saw your unwillingness to get therapy cos of fear of judgment. I'm sorry but this reeks of loser mentality bro. First of all, doing this can save your life. Think what's at stake. Would you rather get judged by a stranger, or be a loser for the rest of your life??? Secondly, don't think you're a special snowflake and nobody else has your problem. Do you know how many young men out there can't get girls and have FL addiction?? I was one too, and when I frequented GL in the past, guess what, there were many young guys too not just old uncles. And I bet professional therapists has dealt with way worse shit (sex offenders, murderers, drug abuse, incest etc etc). Seeing you would be like a GP seeing a flu patient; a total non-event.
Anw I've said enough bro. If you have enough willpower, you'll get out of this and thrive. If not, you'll live and die a loser. It's up to you.
Thanks for the hard truths bro. Probably the best comment in this thread so far. Written logically and not just bashing me for quitting FLs like some of the replies here.
Thanks for taking the time to give me advice from your life experiences. We should keep in touch, I have alot to learn from you.
i think there are a lot of reasons why people engage in FL/ML services. For me its an easy and quick and relatively quiet way to fulfil my sexual urges. My wife sex drive has gone down by 90% since the birth of our kid. To me she is at least a 9 but wats the use if she has almost zero sex drive? FWB/mistress is a no-no cuz i don wan any emotional attachment. To a lot of people u pay the FL to shut up and leave after sex. Its a business transaction.
03-02-2023, 12:50 PM
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