Mwb

[discordpiggy]

Originally Posted by BigBoy2

Can I apply?…………..

sure, my T&C's will be about 50pages also will have to get it notarized.

Originally Posted by bigbrudder

Interesting idea. I think I will not meet a couple of key criteria. Good luck with the exams. Financial accounts wasn't my favourite subject at uni and I have returned everything to the lecturer.

I hope this is your professional exam rather than undergrad. I can feel your pain. Going through the basic test for CMFAS nearly killed me.

you're not local?!

[discordpiggy]

Originally Posted by acidicavex

Hmm I think the sticky part is the kid. It is not going to be healthy for the kid to grow I such a environment . I pity the child if he is born under such circumstances. If both are responsible adult and such arrangement is make than they should make it very verge clear they should not cross the line to screw each other.

YES Sir! they must not have children. it is irresponsible of them to put a child in such unhealthy circumstances.

However, 人算不如天算, IF! they had a children then they have to take responsibility of giving the child a happy home. I guess somewhat like the sitcom Friends, where Ross Geller had a child with his lesbian wife. and his lesbian wife and partner took care of the baby, in which case this situation is even more complicated.

of cos they should not screw each other which is one of the T&Cs to be fair to both parties and unborn child.

[acidicavex]

Originally Posted by discordpiggy

YES Sir! they must not have children. it is irresponsible of them to put a child in such unhealthy circumstances.

However, 人算不如天算, IF! they had a children then they have to take responsibility of giving the child a happy home. I guess somewhat like the sitcom Friends, where Ross Geller had a child with his lesbian wife. and his lesbian wife and partner took care of the baby, in which case this situation is even more complicated.

of cos they should not screw each other which is one of the T&Cs to be fair to both parties and unborn child.

Technically la they should stick to the t&c. but hor..... hmmmm sometimes thing hard to say lo. Just be responsible if really such term or relationship happened. Chinese saying 不要闹出人命

[discordpiggy]

Originally Posted by peekaboo

TS, a lawyers letter with both party agree may work.

yes, yes peekaboo, an agreement, probably fine tune by a lawyer, preferably from sbf, if there is any, should draft this agreement and could possibly work.

Originally Posted by milkyshake

I thought that pre-nuptial agreement (as this is what the agreement is gonna be) is not recognized in Singapore?

Well Singapore does not legalized it but the courts sees it as a valid agreement (http://www.singaporelawreview.org/20...al-agreements/)

many issues to consider since assets can be put into "force-majeure" clauses should there be a divorce in a division of assets.

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wow, my harebrained idea seems more complicated than it looks. seems like a pandora's box. hahahah!

[bigbrudder]

Originally Posted by discordpiggy

sure, my T&C's will be about 50pages also will have to get it notarized.



you're not local?!

Depending on your definition of local.

[BiRd13]

Dear TS discordpiggy,

After reading your thread, remind me of my past. Reason I was once in such 'marriage', or like what you call, MWB many years back. Slightly difference then what you wrote though. Other than that, it's similar....

1) I'm Singaporean, and she's a Malaysian.

2) We both did agree for the sake of marrying, and no kids at all

3) We do sleep in same room, same bed be it before or after getting our apartment.

4) We have an agreement that we can have ONE PARTNER outside, but discreet & protection is a MUST. Secondly, the person MUST BE someone whom we both know each other with.

* For above during that time, she had a partner (my ex colleague), and I'm with her cousin.

5) We both agree that when outside, we be like real couple. When at home, we have intimacy as well. However again, protection is a MUST.

6) If accidentally pregnant, will do DNA test to see who's the father. If I'm not the one, the actual father (which is my friend) have to bear the responsibility of bringing up the child. If he doesn't, I will not pay a single cent to bring up the child. She have to bring up the child herself. And even after divorce, no maintainence fee is needed for the child

7) Of course if child is mine, we both have to raise the kids together, and expenses for the child will be bear by both of us as well.

8) We both have to arrange in such a way when meeting our partner outside, we both have to meet up together, and head to the hotel or even hotel room together. This is to ensure that we will not be seen by close one or relative or family member that we bring other go hotel open room.

9) Both will still act like loving couple in front of everyone else. Will still go out, hold hands, care for each other like real couple.

10) The marriage will only last 5 years after getting the house.

Benefit:
a. Housing
As Legally married, application for housing could speed up and be achieve easily.

b. Tax rebates
As a couple or individually maybe.

c. Child benefits
Due to unforeseen circumstances, where a child is created, child rearing benefits will be provided, of course, by our super nice PAP lor. Both will enjoy paternity leave and maternity leave.

d. "hook-ups"
To ensure minimum and/or low risk of STD, AIDS by only having ONE PARTNER outside. Plus with PROTECTION in which lower down the risk of pregnancy as well.

Edit:
Some 'benefits' for the lady

1) She get to get PR Status
2) 1st Downpayment (20% at that time) is bear by me using CPF. However as my CPF have only 30k+ at that time, she top up about 10k for the down-payment. Monthly rental is bear by both of us 50:50
2) When hit 5yrs after getting our flat, we will sell it away. The amount will be 50:50

[BigBoy2]

Originally Posted by discordpiggy

sure, my T&C's will be about 50pages also will have to get it notarized.



you're not local?!

I am waiting..............

[zhanyou]

Originally Posted by DemonicSS

Hi TS,

Perhaps such arrangements are better with a friend you know very well who likes being alone or have no intention to be married or wants her/his own lifestyle. If you are just finding a person who seems to have the same idea as you, then I see a lot of things your "significant other" can do to sabotage you moneywise.

But yes, I have heard of this before, other than the "kid" thing.

I heard abt it too from a friend who is LGBT. With child.

[bigbrudder]

Sorry, I fail to see the rationale of entering into this, if both parties are Singaporean.

Just to get govt grant for the flat? Inheritance?

If Inheritance, I volunteer to be backup!

[discordpiggy]

Originally Posted by BiRd13

Dear TS discordpiggy,

After reading your thread, remind me of my past. Reason I was once in such 'marriage', or like what you call, MWB many years back. Slightly difference then what you wrote though. Other than that, it's similar....
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Edit:
Some 'benefits' for the lady

1) She get to get PR Status
2) 1st Downpayment (20% at that time) is bear by me using CPF. However as my CPF have only 30k+ at that time, she top up about 10k for the down-payment. Monthly rental is bear by both of us 50:50
2) When hit 5yrs after getting our flat, we will sell it away. The amount will be 50:50

The only similarity is both using each other for a benefit or an agenda (no need to be hidden) to obtain something.

The rest has exclusion clauses.

Obtaining PR status going into this arrangement is too common. Be it Malaysian, Indonesian Philippines, thai, china, viet, myanmese or any other countries, this is a common agreement, just like the movie – Green Card. ie, to obtain PR status.

Yours is not an isolated case. There are many of these cases when it involves a foreigner who is trying to obtain PR status from this place.

Hence, my version stresses strictly for citizens only. Exactly like Friends with benefits as in an expanded version. This is the catch of it. No logical, reasonable sounding, “calculative” Singapore man would go into such a situation, as they will not even think of it because they are more concern with safe-guiding their monies like some replies here, specifically http://sbfsg.org/showpost.ph...3&postcount=23

Needless to say, for the purpose of obtaining PR status, why drag a kid in?!

Having to sleep together in the same bed, same room is a BIG NO NO! this is as good as any married couple. I understand you slept with her if I did not read wrongly, brother, I reckon it was with protection.

Limiting each other to 1 external partner is NOT fair. Being discreet with protection is essential as this is a form of respect for each other. But the limitation is a little over bearing.

Without doubt, if the child is not yours in the event both parties do each other, whichever parties that is NOT the biological parent of the child will have to bear any responsibility. As I have stressed, again, and again, both parties should NOT and must NOT do each other. So therefore, goes back to my point of NOT sleeping together in the same bed and same room. Simple as that! Then there will never, ever be a kid issue. let's be responsible.

The rest of the points are just “acting”

At the end, both wanted the profit of the sale of the housing. Which is seemingly logical to me.

A run down of your points:

Point 1 – no, strictly, sg citizen to sg citizen

Point 2 – fine, alright

Point 3 – sleeping in same room and on same bed will just make this married with benefits arrangement null and void. The whole idea of benefit is not to work against each other but to work WITH.

Point 4 – it is like saying you can only eat 1 dish eg nasi lemak, for the next five years. Huh?! Then what is the point of having “benefits”? eat too much nasi lemak also no good, coconut milk in rice very JELAK! And bad for heart.

Point 5 – acceptable.

Point 6 – tricky part. Agreed. This is to protect yourself since it is PR situation. If it is a same nationality situation then, it is to protect both. Protecting both sounds more reasonable that protecting one party.

Point 7 – I salute you on this for taking full responsibility if the child is yours, kudos to you, brother.

Points 8 and 9 – yeah! The usual “acting” but then, life is full of many acts.

Point 10 – Profit from housing. Why not!

BiRd13 brother, I sincerely appreciate your effort in speaking about your personal experiences on this. Please excuse me if, in any way, my language and tone may seem too forceful or strong. If, in any way you are offended, I apologised. I am fully aware of the purpose of obtaining PR status as a marriage agreement.

However, the most essential factor for this is that BOTH PARTIES must be of the same NATIONALITY, Singapore citizen and Singapore citizen, and DO NOT SLEEP TOGETHER AT ALL! Then we will be able to see how far the genuine “benefits” go with no personal agenda on both parties.

Which I believe, it is only hypothetically speaking. Benefits are usually given to married people and couples. While singles usually get shit but only freedom. so now, let's just give "singles" more benefits to "stay married" but enjoy the fruits and freedom as a single with no change in lifestyle.

This stupid idea came about due to the fact that I personally felt that the marriage institution had fail. Yet that was donkey years ago. I spoke to one of my drinking brother (P), XX years many years ago.

Me: brother, wah nowsadays, men all tau chiak! Especially married ones. Then divorce many happening around me. Worst, is got gin-na somemore. Marriage institution fail me sia.

P: alamak! You so innocent meh?! U hang out with me and at Ridley’s/Club 97, u saw what?!

Me: aiya! That one is just play play mah. But few of my friends all like that le. Married, got child, then divorce. Wah, the gin-na how?! Tsk! Like that hai gin-na! no good la.

P: You think last time during WW1 or WW2 or ancient China no have such thing meh?!!! Of cos have la. Last time people all tau chiak quietly one. Cos now women go office work so become more open. Last time ah… tau chiak neighbour quietly one… if not become, er nai, or san nai lor.

Me: eh, then since you said can tau chiak, then how come mai legalized prostitution! Legalized ma, prostitute need to feed family also, it is also job ma.

P: aiya, this is Singapore, atas, bobian. Yah prostitution is the oldest profession, since beginning of mankind have liao. Ah Long also, the oldest profession. If not, you go check your bible! Both of them in the bible one.

Me: Orh. Like that cannot get married liao… wait like you ah, put your mistress together with your wife at a restaurant and all 3 of you have nice candle light dinner together sia! Kekekeke!

P: ya that’s me, steady hor!?! Kekkekee!

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Disclaimer: mods or anyone with equal (or higher) rights as mods has the absolute right/power to delete this thread if this case is deem as unacceptable socially. I have no intention to insult, critized or demean anyone or whatsoever. If I have I apologised. Also above is purely my own opinion just for discussion. there is no absolute right or wrong. thanks!

[bigbrudder]

Must say it is quite entertaining reading the above, although not getting married for fear of divorce seems to put the cart before the horse.

Grounds for divorce includes not just infidelity. The more common or rather the major cause of it, as I understand it, is money matters. The unhappiness from money no enough, poor communications, latent incompatibility may drive the couple to infidelity. Problems caused by infidelity can easily be resolved through 'forgiveness'.

So, I still cannot understand the purpose of MWB, for Singaporean-Singaporean couple if fear of infidelity is the sole motivating factor.

Other possible reason can only be for covering up for sexual orientation. If freedom is all that is desired, why bother to get married in the first place.

[BiRd13]

Dear TS discordpiggy,

Haha. Don't worry sis. I'm just sharing what I had with my ex wife. The agreement was cleanly written, and some thoughts just came to our mind at that time, which we indicated down and we both signed on it.

The kids part is 'just in case'. You know accident does happen. Condoms are not 100% safe for pregnancy or even STD/HIV etc. Hence we wrote it down for the kids part just in case. But again, we did not have any kids during the period. And yes, we did have sex together, and of course with protection

Not only we limited to one sex partner outside, but only to someone in which we known with. Reason for such due to the rapid growth of std/hiv during that time. Well, we both are scared of such as well. Hence in order to enjoy the 'fun' outside, we restricted our self to such rule. In fact, our 'partner' know about such as well, and agreed to play along with us. At times, we 4 even meet up together for meals etc. We even organize to go holidays together. Just that me and my ex wife went, while they both went... But I zz with the girl, while the guy zz with my wife.

You need to be aware that when you both are married, and if accidentally you have kids with other party outside, the marriage will be ruin. Worst case, the partner might not get any benefits from it. People will view you as the '3rd party'. This is the reason why we came out of Rule #6. If she have kids and I'm the father, it's fine, as we are married, and legal for such. If she have kids, and I'm not the father, means to say that she have to bear the responsibility. From other's eyes, will think that the kid is mine, and hence won't suspect or says she's having an affair. It's just between us that's all

LIke I said, I'm just sharing what I had in the past. Not really about commenting or in a way that I have to follow the rules you indicated. I think you post this mainly is to ask for opinion and comments? I posted is not about comment or opinion, but sharing my personal real life experience.

I do agree that not many can follow especially on 'must NOT do each other'. I think once both got own apartment (provided family not staying together) and sleep in different room is ok. What about before having own apartment? Or even staying with family? For a guy & a gal to sleep in same room without having sex can be manageable (Provided if its short period of time) What if both zz in same room for few months or even few years? Seriously I doubt I can control :X

I do agreed with you that marriage & divorce rate are getting higher and higher. At times one will think why should one get married? I guess most have the thoughts of starting a family. But again, how many when have family, won't 'tau chiak'? That's very rare...

In olden days, 20yrs old virgin is still ok... Now you may find a person who's as young as 18, and have already fuck like nobody business already. Times have change...

[discordpiggy]

Originally Posted by BigBoy2

I am waiting..............

wouldn't a sugar baby fit you better?!

you pay and you get their services.

i do not fancy 3-worded. sorry

[DemonicSS]

Bird13, you did have an interesting life. So its also kind of kindy to have managed to get her cousin as your bunkmate too. kudos to you.

But Discordpiggy, I don't see why you cant have sex with your partner. Afterall, if both parties adhere to the agreement, wouldn't it help enhance the very good working relationship? Besides, your point of genuine benefits with no personal agenda seems abit flawed as the very arrangement is based on a very personal agenda. I would call it common personal agendas working in unison.

[discordpiggy]

Originally Posted by DemonicSS

Bird13, you did have an interesting life. So its also kind of kindy to have managed to get her cousin as your bunkmate too. kudos to you.

But Discordpiggy, I don't see why you cant have sex with your partner. Afterall, if both parties adhere to the agreement, wouldn't it help enhance the very good working relationship? Besides, your point of genuine benefits with no personal agenda seems abit flawed as the very arrangement is based on a very personal agenda. I would call it common personal agendas working in unison.

lols cannot have sex. once sex involve parties will have a sense of burden should they want to have flings.

only "personal" agenda is FREEDOM.

I explained to BiRd13 brother. the true meaning is smack in one paragraph in my reply to him. He understands what I am getting at.

However, US it is called Open relationship http://nydn.us/It0SYY

now i can put in my facebook... in "an Open Relationship"

of cos it gets messy and complicated because they simply screw everyone anyone. lololol!